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Herman Koch . Shelves: own, literary-fiction, ebooks, reviewed .. È olandese il primo adattamento cinematografico: ”Het diner” di Menno Meyjes, by Herman Koch First published January Sort by Het diner (Hardcover). Published . Het diner (Paperback) The Dinner (ebook) ebook, pages. 27 books based on 1 votes: The Dinner by Herman Koch, Summer House with Swimming Pool by Zomerhuis met zwembad / Het diner by.
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Which brings me to the final point of criticism: Character interactions, especially in a black comedy, work best if you have actors who know what makes their characters 'tick'; just look at Roman Polanski's 'Carnage' for a good example. But Jacob Derwig is the only one who gets a bit of backstory, and even so, his character is merely annoying and frustrated instead of interestingly layered. The other three characters range from sad to reprehensible, which could be interesting if they weren't so one-dimensional due to lack of exposure apart from what Paul tells about them in his endless voice-overs.
They often act and respond completely unpredictable, not as a twist, but simply because of poorly written roles that undoubtedly left out too much from the book.
The talent of these fine actors feels quite wasted here, because there should have been more time allotted for exposition. Every adaptation needs to omit certain parts of the narrative, but here it feels like most of the heart of the story was cut out. The basic premise is still there, but the director did not have the experience to make it visually interesting. After an Italian remake, there has been talk about an American one, but it seems to be stuck in development for some time.
Let's hope they use that time to get the script right this time, because with the right basis, this premise could really make for a good movie. Explore popular and recently added TV series available to stream now with Prime Video.
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Avi 2 HD tekenfilm NL. Share this Rating Title: Use the HTML below. You must be a registered user to use the IMDb rating plugin. Photos Add Image. Learn more More Like This. The Dinner Gooische vrouwen Comedy Drama. Horror Thriller. I can't say this book is very fun to read. Lohman," he said. Then I punched him squarely in the nose.
Right away there was blood, lots of blood: By that time I had come around the desk and hit him in the face again, lower down this time. His teeth hurt my knuckles as they broke off. He screamed. But now I feel like this is not only old hat, but rather painful to read. There's no resolution. No one gets their comeuppance or punishment. Good people are murdered and maimed and the soulless go on with their existence, happy and rich and complete. Does this satisfy anyone?
It might be fun in a shocking way if it's the first book of this kind you've ever read, but if you've read GONE GIRL then this is going to be more of the same for you.
It's realistic. I'm laughing at how many people defend this kind of novel by saying, "Well, it's realistic. Great, fine. That's not why I read fiction, emphasis on 'fiction. What I feel when I shut this book is despair, disappointment, and apathy. That's NOT the way I want a book to make me feel. I am very disinterested in this burgeoning subgenre called "sick fucks kill and hurt people, then live happy and long lives being sick fucks and raising other sick fucks.
Here's your fix. However, if you are tired and annoyed of MCs with no shred of humanity, not even the tiniest shred - stay far away from this, which seems like a tired re-hash of ideas already hashed. Also, this book purports that being a soulless sick fuck is an inherited genetic trait. And that you can sense this disease - be tested for it when you are in utero, amniotic fluid test - and if your fetus has this disease you should abort it.
It's strongly hinted in the book that Koch's talking about Asperger's. What a bunch of shit. All of this is shit. What is this, The Bad Seed , where some people are born soulless, and just "Oh, well. People with Asperger's are fine. What is this author implying? If you are on the autism spectrum or not neurotypical that you are a murdering asshole who maims and kills people when things don't go your way?
I wish this whole "I have a disorder, we should have aborted my nowyear-old-son in the womb because people with this neurological disorder are soulless and will probably become serial killers" was left out. I mean, what the fuck, dude? If you just realized the dad the main character was fucked up, and then got to toy around with the idea in your mind like, "Nature or nurture?
Is his son soulless because he inherited his dad's no-soul gene, or did growing up with a dad who literally bashed people's faces into a bloody pulp when they got in his way make his child think such behavior was acceptable? But no, Koch has to make Paul the MC dad go to a psychologist who informs him that if they had had in-utero testing 30 or 40 years ago, Paul himself would've been aborted.
Because being a soulless killer is an "illness" that can be detected in the womb and preemptively stopped. Fuck this shit. Koch comes off as an ableist jerk here, demonizing autism and Asperger's and thinking he can get away with it because he doesn't say "the A-word," as my friend calls it. This book is really angering me on many levels.
Isn't it difficult enough to navigate a neurotypical world without having people write books about autistic killers who go around murdering people? I'm very angry. People keep saying "This book is about the lengths you'll go to protect your family" and to me that is not what this book was about, AT ALL. I guess every reader does read a different book. Gone Girl A Bum Deal: An Unlikely Journey from Hopeless to Humanitarian View all 53 comments. What a fun dinner experience that was! Everything was going so well during drinks and appetizers.
Just a nice meal in a super fancy restaurant. Luckily, Serge knew people since he was a politician and all, maybe even the next prime minister! The first third of the book was just that Pages and pages of beautiful descriptions, subtle humor, not so subtle humor, and casual conversation. The whole book could have stayed right the Wow! The whole book could have stayed right there and I wouldn't have minded at all. But, ohhh what happened We gotta talk about the children.
And that's when the main course got really, really dark and you got to know everyone a little too well, more details than you ever wanted to know, stories of the past that shouldn't really be unearthed. Not here, not at dinner. People will say, "Ugh, I didn't like any of the characters.
They were all so awful. Boo hoo hoo. I was never rooting for anyone. I don't think that's the point of the book. Yeah, it seems absurd that these parents had to make what we may see as easy decisions, right?
But, man, we're not running for prime minister, and aren't we all selfish at our core anyway? Doesn't this maybe point out that we're probably always going to look out for ourselves, and isn't that worse?
How different am I from these people? I loved the twists and turns of the novel, diving into Paul's past and his relationship with his brother. It didn't turn these people into anti-heroes or make me feel for them, but it made them three dimensional even if they were still pretty awful. The way this book took a sharp turn and didn't lay off the brakes from there was fantastic. I didn't think there was a moment wasted, and I loved each section of the meal.
I would even argue that it ended a little too abruptly after the slow climb to get there. I would have liked a few more pages, maybe an epilogue or something. I don't know. I was pleasantly surprised by this book. I knocked out most of it in a day.
I would definitely recommend it for something a little darker, but please, for the love of God Don't compare this to Gone Girl. View all 33 comments. I got the dvd of the movie of this book, and just as I was about to play it I said to myself hold on, I already watched this movie; and then I wasn't sure - had I already seen it or not?
What a puzzle! But the book had instilled such strong scenes and dialogues within the portals of my brain that I thought I had.
I think that deserves another half star. And I Update: And I do recommend the dvd, a very bitter affair, less hideously funny than the book, and arguably better. Except for Steve Cogan pretending to be an American - I don't know why they do that. It's like Dr Johnson's dog walking on two legs. Mais non! I say. Both books are about extremely irritating people, it must be admitted. It is an organic farm established by monks in So all that is quite amusing.
It is two brothers and their wives who are eating this dinner. Or actually pecking at it then jumping up and rushing outside to make a mysterious phone call. Gradually the ghastly family secrets are unveiled. Each brother has a 15 year old son and the two of them have been spoiler-oiler which is enough to put a person off his escargots.
So very spoilerish things have happened and indeed will happen. And I cannot say any more than that. I rattled through this and as I did the movie was already forming in my brain.
I see fluid camerawork swirling round and round the table and many revolting close-ups of the fancy grub. Steve Coogan? Is there time to change that? Three stars. Kind of sort of slightly recommended. Haute cuisine is what they eat in this novel but The Dinner is strictly burger and fries. View all 14 comments. This is a book that polarises opinion. In some respects it could be viewed as being provocative, voyeuristic and dark; in other ways it could be seen as being unpleasant and incredibly dull.
I, for instance, love the movie Lost in Translation and consider it to be a masterpiece. My wife, on the other hand, finds it ponderous and aimless. As an inveterate people watcher, I love witnessing families having bust-ups in restaurants and other public places, as long as I'm not anywhere near them. I also This is a book that polarises opinion. I also watch cringeworthy social gaffes on TV through my fingers, all the while groaning with embarrassment, yet continuing to gawp.
So, if like me you love to eavesdrop while fragile relationships unravel in restaurants, then this might be your thing. If you prefer your main characters to all be agreeable and charming, then this definitely won't suit! View all 36 comments. Apr 29, Will M. Fans of Gillian Flynn. I can consider this one of the few messed up novels that amazed me by its darkness. This is one of those circumstances wherein I'm glad I didn't listen to the bad reviews, and the low overall rating of the novel.
Opinions vary, so stick with your gut. If the novel seems like something you'd enjoy, then don't hesitate to give it a I can consider this one of the few messed up novels that amazed me by its darkness.
If the novel seems like something you'd enjoy, then don't hesitate to give it a read. Halfway through the novel I decided to consider this as the epitome of contemporary fiction, among all the novels that I've read so far. Palahniuk tried that style with me, but failed miserably. Koch on the other hand managed to make me like the novel even more because of the rambling. I cared about what he was trying to point out, and everything the main character said only made me like him better.
This novel, like I said, was messed up. If you're not a fan of dark fiction, then I'd suggest you avoid this. It's not gut-wrenching in the same way as some gore-y horror movies, but the outcome would make you question the sanity of the characters, or even the author himself.
I'm a fan of out of norm fiction, so that means I don't mind if the author tackles on topics that are profane and socially unacceptable. I'm not one to promote such activities, of course, because I'm against them, but writing about those doesn't mean that the author automatically thinks that it's supposed to be right.
The plot took a while for it to develop. Halfway through I honestly still didn't know what was the main focus of the novel.
The secret wasn't revealed then and I was impatiently waiting for it to be discussed further. At first I thought that the novel was going to have a terrible plot because of its seemingly nonexistent development, but thankfully I was proven wrong. The characters were the main reason why this novel was messed up.
Let me add in the fact though that messed up doesn't mean it was bad. I mean messed up in a positive way. Psychologically challenged characters are the best to read about, at least for me.
Paul, Claire, Serge, and Babette were all amazing, and fully developed in the end. One or two of the four truly shocked me in the end of the novel. I didn't expect them to develop the way they did but the author knew what he was doing. In the end one may ask, "What was this truly about?
In my opinion, it was about how one would do anything to keep their family safe, no matter what the consequences may be. The love of a couple for their child, and how nothing can stand against that. Why round it down? It's because I needed more. The novel felt like it was cut short too early. The ending was not ambiguous, and I liked what happened in the end. It does feel like a European Gone Girl, so get ready for messed up to the tenth power. Highly recommended for psychological thriller fans, because this felt like a mixture of contemporary and psycho-thriller.
View all 9 comments. This is a gourmet treat, with a bite. I have to confess, I don't have a lot of patience with those who dismiss this book simply because of the unlikeable characters. Of course, it goes without saying that anyone's reason for not liking a book is valid. You're allowed to not like the book for this or any other reason.
Now that I got that out of the way The book is clever, created in the framework of a dinner at a fine dining restaurant. The sections of the book follow the courses, from Aperitif all the way to Digestif.
It takes place in Amsterdam, in an overpriced, hoity-toity restaurant, with two couples who are there to discuss their misbehaving sons.
The narrator is funny, snarky, and is our tour guide through the evening. Koch uses delightful sleight of hand throughout the book until the final reveal of what's what, and who's who. He turns the reader into a voyeuristic snoop - I mean, don't we all thrill a little when watching a nasty scene erupt at someone else's table?
Just me? There are a few weaknesses here, worth mentioning. I found it a little hard to believe that the couples would decide to discuss their sons in a public place, given the 'delicate' subject matter. Later, I came to realise that the "syndrome" described in the book is a metaphor for pathological entitlement which gets passed down from parent to child by a lifetime of examples.
But Koch's writing was strong enough to make me take a morsel, and then another, and before I knew it, I'd finished all courses a pretty happy customer. Many compare this to Gone Girl.
From where I sit, this book borrows more from Crime and Punishment - shining a light on the moral elitism of those who believe they can decide that some lives are worth more than others. The entitlement of some people to do as they please, regardless of the consequences.
Those who respond with a frightening smile or laugh in the face of a ghastly deed done to someone who "deserved it". And, even more chilling, enabling the next generation to be this way. It's dark and it's awful, but it didn't take my appetite away I'm sure to read more by Herman Koch. View all 7 comments. I understand comparing a book to Gone Girl will push sales, so yay for that comparison plastered on every The Dinner reference.
But seriously, motherfuckers, this novel is more like Flynn's Sharp Objects and, in my eyes, better than Gone Girl. So let's stop talking about Gone Girl , even though I liked that book, because, you know, there are other books in the goddamn universe and I'm trying to review one as we speak.
The Dinner 's main character is an angry, reflective guy out at a restaurant with I understand comparing a book to Gone Girl will push sales, so yay for that comparison plastered on every The Dinner reference. The Dinner 's main character is an angry, reflective guy out at a restaurant with his wife, brother, and sister-in-law.
The action unfolds over the evening and through flashbacks. I suppose one of comparisons between The Dinner and the Gillian Flynn-novel-that-will-not-be-named emerges from the fact I couldn't write a review of either without fearing revealing spoilers. The narrators gets to articulate the terrific hatred and frustration inherent in minor interactions and perhaps over-sensitivity to slights and manipulation when one's mind isn't quite in the right place.
And the deep darkness connects to the question of whether or not families can retain a semblance of normalcy or even grow closer when the stakeholders lie, scheme, and withhold, sometimes to each other, sometimes for each other.
I very much enjoyed The Dinner. I don't re-read much but I could see myself re-reading the novel in a month or two because the elegant structure deserves a second look. This book is better than its the "European Gone Girl or "topic of countless dinner party debates" horseshit tag lines.
Read The Dinner on its own terms. View all 8 comments. A delicious, twistalicious book you will want to devour. Or no, not regret. You say something so razor-sharp that the person you say it to carries it around with them for the rest of their life. It is not a book for everyone. It is biting, raw and the darkest hum A delicious, twistalicious book you will want to devour.
It is biting, raw and the darkest humor you can imagine. Almost the entire story is set at a restaurant table. There are two unhappy couples having dinner together and acting as if everything is fine. As we go from appetizers to dessert, the reader gets a sense that something is very wrong here.
A simmering beneath the surface kind of tension. It continues to build until all the secrets are exposed. I could not put this book down except for minutes at a time and then I was constantly wondering "what in the world is going on here?
These sons are cousins to each other, because their dads are brothers. The sons have done something horrible. Really bad. And the parents are here not just to eat dinner at a fancy restaurant, but to work out how this situation their sons are in should be handled. All four members at the table have a different agenda, a different perspective, a different personality flaw.
The narrator, Paul, is sarcastic and funny and relatable. He could be someone you know. But when you find out the true Paul, who he is when no one is watching, you realize you probably don't know anyone like him and you certainly don't want to. To me, this book is a rare find. It is very well written, even though it is translated from Dutch to English.
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